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Play Opposite of the Season for Social Media Gold

It’s currently the middle of winter and you know what that means. Time to go to the beach!

Okay, so that’s not a normal conclusion that one might come to in most places across the country. Even in sunny California, the beaches are pretty barren in the middle of winter. That’s all real word stuff. We’re talking about social media, a world of dreams and desires, wishes and aspirations. We may not be able to go to the beach right this very moment, but we can certainly wish we were there with a nice breeze coming off the water making it a comfortable 85 degrees in our swimsuits. That’s not reality today, but it’s definitely something that can work on social media.

For businesses, it’s often about standing out properly on social. Nobody likes the loud social media posting business, the one that posts crap all the time that has no substance, but they don’t mind the occasional creative post. Playing with seasons and circumstances (and more importantly, their opposites) is a way to get attention in a positive way.

A Nissan dealer who posts the image above could attach it to the caption, “It may be too cold to go to the beach right now, but when the time comes, we’ll be there to get you on the sand and under the sun.”

This would have a few different subtle but important effects. It’s appealing to many – there are those who are snowed in or stuck with the flu right now. A great looking truck with the ocean, sand, and sun can become a pleasant thought for those seeing it. It’s relevant – in most places right now, the weather is an issue. It’s downright freezing across the country. Lastly, the image is different but pertinent to a Nissan dealer – much better than trying to stand out by posting cat pictures.

Your messaging on social media can be timely without being bound by the constraints of the current time. Football season has ended for most teams across the country. If your local team is out of the playoffs, it’s not too early to start posting baseball pictures. For example, you could have a picture of your team’s star and a caption like this:

“It’s time to put football behind us for now and focus on winning the pennant. Chase Headley, show us the way!”

All of your competitors are likely posting things that everyone else is already posting on social media. There’s nothing wrong with doing the same, but mix it up from time to time by going “off season”, whether it’s about sports, the weather, or anything else that makes for an interesting topic in your area. Stand out. Be different. Be creative. Get noticed.

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Use Hashtags Instead of Social Icons on Ads

If you ever want a crash course on the latest social media studies but don’t want to spend the money to do them yourself, just watch the Super Bowl. You have to assume that if companies are spending millions to produce and distribute 30 second spots for the big game, they’re going to research what’s working today.

This year’s big takeaway was a shift in the way that companies were presenting their social media. As described here, there’s even a debate about the winners and losers. The results of the research were easy to spot. Many advertisers decided that hashtags were the way to go social this year.

If you think about it, nothing could be simpler to understand. Hashtags are social network agnostic with the glaring exception of Facebook. Twitter, Google+, Instagram, Pinterest, and countless other social networks apply hashtags to their streams to allow for tagging and easier searching. Popular hashtags often get featured on these sites. It’s a way to win bigger than simply posting a Twitter handle or Facebook page URL.

You should apply the same concept to your campaigns, particularly when interaction is a part of it (and it should be). It’s no longer about sending people to your profiles through your advertising. They won’t go. If they want to interact with you on social media, they’ll find you (at least they should be able to if you’re doing it right in search and on your website). They will, however, be willing to take part in a conversation. The best way to group conversations on every venue other than Facebook is through hashtags.

For Facebook, things are different and that deserves a blog post of its own, but for now if you focus on hashtags to spread your campaign messages in your advertising (print, television, and just about everywhere else), you’ll find that your social media interactions can improve. If you’re still posting your profile handle next to a blue bird, you’re probably not getting anything out of it and simply wasting space.

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Content

For those with a business that has an active blog, you may say that this seems light. It is. It seems that there’s a huge gap between those who are adding content to their site and those who don’t so we’re going with a strong minimum. If you’re adding two pieces of content per month, you have the ability to make a difference.

I’m not talking about conversion pages. I’m talking about interesting, engaging content that people can and will share if they see it. I’m talking about building content that works for your business, that’s associated with your target visitors, and that comes from a unique place that is inherent to you. I’m talking about writing about what you know best – your business and the area that it’s in.

That’s not to say that those who are blogging regularly shouldn’t read about this. Most that I’ve seen who are “blogging” are actually just posting search-relevant content in hopes that it will help them gain additional keywords. This practice is fine but is not a replacement for the type of content that I’m talking about here. For this content, you have to make it real. You have to build content that you would be interested in reading yourself if you came across it on the internet or in a magazine.

We’ve discussed this type of content in the past regarding killing birds, but it wouldn’t be doing the topic service to write about it once and let it go. Here’s an overview:

Strong Related Content

Most businesses are starting to post some sort of content on their blogs or directly to their site. Unfortunately, the vast majority of it is completely self-serving. This is fine – you’re a business, not a media publication – but you’ll miss out on the benefits inherent with valuable and/or entertaining content if everything is about you. There are other stories to tell, other concepts that should be explored in your industry, and interesting aspects of your community that will help you create content that others can post to their social media profiles or link to from their websites.

That’s the goal. If you’re a dealership writing articles like “Nissan Altima Dallas Gets New Incentives”, it’s fine and can help you rank for the target term “Nissan Altima Dallas” but it’s not enough. You needgood content to support your conversion content. Not everything is about keywords. Done right, it’s easier to get the tougher keywords by going after something altogether.

As we’ve discussed in the past, content has two primary goals. Yes, it can help the search engines understand your website better, so the SEO value is strong within the content. This is what conversion content is all about. However, you won’t get anyone to share or link to this type of content, which is why engaging content is necessary to achieve the second goal: getting inbound links and social signals pointed to your website.

When you have an interesting piece of content that is shared on social media and linked to by others, it helps the entire domain achieve higher rankings in search for the “money terms” that you want. By mixing in pieces of content such as “9 Amazing Uses of Ford SYNC and Your Smartphone”, you’re on your way to getting higher rankings for other keywords. It does, of course, help with social media content as well, but even if you don’t believe in the value of this content, you’ll surely see the value of improving your rankings.

Two pieces of content a month might seem low, but how much are your producing today? Then, ask yourself which is more likely – to get in and post a lot of content, then get tired of it and abandon it altogether, or to schedule two pieces of content that don’t interrupt your normal routine too often and that have a tremendous impact on your overall internet marketing? This is why I ask people to start with two. If they build two a month for a few months, they might decide that the value is high enough to hire a part-time or full-time content writer. That’s the goal. Bring in some value, then expand on it.

Once you start, it’s hard to stop after seeing the amazing result.

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Focus on Affinity with Facebook Posts

Resonance

From a marketing and advertising perspective, Facebook is a game. It may not be very fun for businesses, but just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean that you don’t have to play along to be successful. On the other hand, some businesses have plenty of fun on Facebook. Whether you do or not makes absolutely no difference, though some will say that if you’re having fun with it that you’ll be more successful. I contend that fun or no fun, you still play the same way if you’re doing it right.

The “game” aspect of Facebook is affinity. It’s the component of Facebook marketing that a business has the most control over while simultaneously having not true control at all. It’s not a conundrum. It’s not double talk. It’s just the way it is.

You see, affinity is a measurement of the engagement you’re receiving on each post. If you’re getting more engagement because of the quality and strategic placement of your content, the affinity portion of your EdgeRank will be higher. It’s for this reason that you do have control. Technically speaking, there really is no true “EdgeRank” anymore. It’s an antiquated algorithm that has been replaced without a name given to the replacement, and since there aren’t a ton of differences in the factors applied to the new algorithm, the name has stuck. Regardless of the name, you have the ability to affect how popular your posts will be based upon the weighted factors attached to affinity.

Facebook really started playing around with how posts from pages appear in the news feeds around the middle of last year. It became noticeable around September. Those who were popular before were seeing dips in their exposure. Things have leveled out now, so wherever you stand currently is a good starting point, particularly if you’re trying to correct errors from the past or reviving a dormant or semi-dormant page.

Your fans and friends of fans are the ones who have the real control over how your posts show in the news feeds, which is why affinity is still the most controllable without giving you any actual control. If your posts are getting ignored or reported as spam, your posts will not show up as well on news feeds. It’s that simple. It’s the reason that you have to play the game whether you like it or not. You can control your own content but you can’t control how people will react to it. All you can really do is learn what works and try to improve.

By improving the quality and focus of what you post, you’ll be able to have the most positive influence on your affinity. Here’s how:

 

Make Every Post Count

We keep mentioning it here and on other publications, but it definitely cannot be overstated. You cannot waste Facebook posts. You do more harm by posting weak content than if you didn’t post content at all.

Regardless of what you’re running as your strategy, be sure to identify the content that is resonating with your audience. A car dealer should post pictures of cars and the local area, for example. The pictures should be extremely interesting, not just boring pictures of people smiling in front of the car they just bought.

Part of playing the affinity game is making sure that every time your posts appear in front of people, that there’s a chance they’ll like, comment, or share the post. Content that might bring value to you but that brings nothing to the table for the Facebook audience is worthless. In other words, links to your inventory will hurt your efforts. Images of important and interesting parts of your inventory with an accompanying link is better.

 

Source and Type Matter a Lot

One of the parts that many businesses don’t understand about the way the Facebook algorithm works is that it affects different posts from different sources… well, differently. Let’s say you have an amazing image that you post. It gets a lot of comments, shares, and likes. That popularity will affect all of your posts a little, but it will affect your image posts by far the most.

Sources are another indicator that Facebook doesn’t talk much about but that have an affect on news feed placement. If you post something from Buffer that does well, it will affect future Buffer posts more than it will affect Hootsuite or direct Facebook.com posts, for example.

Keep in mind that the opposite is true as well. If posts of a particular type or from a particular source perform poorly, the algorithm will stop trusting your posts from those sources. They will be presented lower on the news feed.

 

The Two Things to Avoid

There are a couple of things that hurt you when you post. The first is obvious: spam reports. Every business will get reported for spam from time to time regardless of the content, particularly if the posts are promoted through Facebook advertising. Users in general do not understand how sponsored posts work (or they may understand them too well) and will try to keep your promoted message about the big sale this weekend from ever popping up ahead of pictures of little Timmy sliding into third base by reporting your posts as spam. That’s fine. It happens. Facebook knows this.

What you don’t want to happen is for too many of these reports to come in. Facebook gives your posts a little leeway knowing that there will be some reports no matter what, but when your posts get more than what Facebook believes is reasonable, your future posts and your page itself will be affected. This is bad. It’s very difficult to reverse, even with Facebook advertising. In a conversation with Facebook, I was told that if a page has been posting too much spam when I take them over, that it may be easier to build it back up from scratch rather than try to fix the problem.

The other less-known thing to avoid is getting passed over on the news feed. Every time your posts appears on someone’s news feed, it’s your opportunity to shine. You earn trust in the algorithm when people interact with your posts, but there’s a catch. If they see your posts and do not interact with them in some positive way, Facebook registers that as well. It’s not just someone who saw your post and didn’t do anything. It’s an actual negative that gets registered in Facebook’s data. They know when your posts were viewed. If they get viewed but don’t get liked by a user, they are less likely to be presented to that user as well as that user’s friends in the future.

It’s for this reason that we don’t want posts wasted. Regardless of how many times I say it, it just won’t be enough. You must make every post count.

Look at your posts before you make them live. Are they incredible? If the answer is no, work harder to make it incredible. You can’t post for the sake of posting. Not anymore. You have to “bring it” each and every time you post. Don’t damage your account. Make it shine. The difference is extreme.

One last quick note: everything that I just mentioned about Facebook is very similar to how Google+ handles their network. As it continues to rise, playing their game is also a necessity. Thankfully, it’s so similar that if you work the same basic strategy on both, the results will be similar.

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Come Say Hello this Weekend at #NADA2013

Dealer Synergy & Automotive Digital Training are in sunny Orlando this weekend for NADA! Stop by Booth #4179 and say hello! We will be unveiling the Automotive Industry's MOST Comprehensive and Powerful "Video On Demand" Training, Tracking, Testing & Certification Software.

You'll be able to talk one-on-one with Super Star Trainers / Experts such as 

Sean V Bradley, Karen Bradley, James A. Ziegler, Peter Martin, Danny Alkassmi, Craig Lockerd and much more!

Here's our booth!

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Sean,
Thanks for taking the time to walk me through your site today.  We are excited to expand our relationship with the Internet Sales 20 Group, and I have no doubt that it will be long and mutually beneficial. 
The primary difference between our leads and any others on the market is our call verification process.  We use the same data modeling filters and process as most of the other reputable lead companies, but then we add another layer of filtration by having a call center call the leads to verify both information and intent of the customer.  All of the calls are recorded, so if the dealer ever has a question regarding a specific lead we can provide the audio file of our verification call.  The filtration process is the same for both finance and brand specific leads, although obviously there is more information to verify on the finance leads.
Another differentiator for us is our account management and training.  While many lead providers leave the dealer to his own devices once they sign up, we invest in full time account managers to help assure our clients success.  Our account managers have all worked leads in dealerships, and their sole purpose is to work with dealership personnel on scripting and process.  Our general process is a monthly conversation with the GM/DP as a progress report with a minimum of one conversation per week with the person working the leads to discuss details and progress of each lead. 
We have a combined 40+ years of lead generation experience on our management team, so while we are a new company we have been able to avoid many of the mistakes that a company new to the space would be likely to make.  We already have multiple dealers delivering over 20% of our leads, and our dealer attrition is almost none.   The one down side to our business model is lead volume, because we have such stringent filters in place we do not deliver the volume of leads that many of our competitors do.  In most major markets we only have about 200 leads available, and there are a few markets that have already sold out.  
I look forward to speaking with you soon, and I'll get you a blog submission tomorrow.
All the best,
Bob Harwood-
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Native advertising is hot right now, even if nobody seems to know exactly what it isSolve Media, a digital advertising firm, has attempted to solve that problem with this infographic, which takes a stab at a standard definition: "Native advertising refers to a specific mode of monetization that aims to augment user experience by providing value through relevant content delivered in-stream."

Actually, that's pretty good. As the rest of the graphic shows, native advertising is clearly where the money is going in the industry. At the very least, when ad execs are throwing the term around at Christmas parties, they can be on the same page.

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SOCIALDEALER, a leading social media management company that helps automotive dealers create, manage and monitor their social activities through one centralized web platform, today announced Phil Penton, President of SOCIALDEALER, has been interviewed by AutomotiveInternetSales.com

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Inside a LIVE Internet Sales 20 Group - Reviewing Benchmark Composites - Sean V. Bradley - Automotive Sales from Dealer Synergy on Vimeo.

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Ralph Paglia Posted This on ADM and rather than build a separate post, I wanted to create a "Hybrid Post"... Share my thoughts as well as his thoughts and some of the ADM community's thoughts...

My heart goes out to his family and friends for their personal loss. To lose a loved one is a terrible thing. He was an icon, yes but he was a Husband, a Father, a Friend etc... first. 

I personally never had the honor of meeting Zig but I, like most of us in this industry was very influenced by him. I have read his books, studied his philosophy, watched videos of him and was completely enthralled in all that I was able to absorb! It is crazy how people influence other people. I remember reading a Zig Ziglar book when I was first started selling cars on the showroom floor 14 years ago! I remember being so excited to get to the next chapter because his information was so awesome! 

There are little things that I do to this very day that I got from reading a Zig Ziglar book. For example something simple with negotiating I learned from Zig was that in ANY transaction (And I mean ANY). Simply asking "Is that the best you can do...?" to the person trying to sell you something and then waiting for them to respond IS AWESOME! You have to ask it VERY non hostile or aggressive. Almost, "tossing" the question out there...  For example: If you were about to buy something from 9almost ANY sals person),  and they quote you the price. Just pause for a second, take in the price you have just been quoted and then ask them gently... "Is that the best you can do...? People, you will be SHOCKED at the responses you get LOL! I know I was :) People, almost fall over themselves changing it up, cutting their own prices, saying things like... "well, maybe I can do this or maybe I can get you that" :) 

Bottom line, I can go on and on about some of the brilliant strategies and philosophies of Mr. Zig Ziglar! 

Here is what I will say people "Cherish every second of life", it is gone in an instant. Be cognizant of who and what you are. 

Let me tell you what the BIGGEST "thing" I got from Zig Ziglar... His life as a whole, his legacy, his impact on the world, his influence. That is what is truly awe inspiring! 

It is surreal this last year. Zig Ziglar just passed away, recently Dr. Stephen Covey passed away and a close friend of mine (and a friend to a lot of you all) Karry Moore, Co-Founder of Car-Mercial. So, what have I taken from all of this? Well it is a sobering reality that life is a precious gift as is time and we have NO IDEA how much of it we will have. So, what is our purpose? Or what should our purpose really be while we are here for a short stint? 

PLEASE watch this quick video from FranklinCovey, The "80th Birthday"

 

Wow! Dr. Stephen Covey nailed it with this video! This reminds me of Zig Ziglar. This is what I one day aspire to. I am ONLY 36 years old and I have a long way to go but I am inspired to inspire others. 

Thank You Zig, you have been an inspiration to me on my journey teaching others-

Here is Ralph's Post:

ZIG FANS... HERE IS The ZIG ZIGLAR OFFICIAL COVER PHOTO. If you are a fan feel free to USE THIS AS YOUR COVER PHOTO in honor & memory of Zig. 

Our Friend, Mentor to Millions and Master Motivator Zig Ziglar passed peacefully from this world this morning. Angels are rejoicing and he is now speaking with Jesus. Please leave your favorite Zig Story or message to family at www.facebook.com/ZigZiglar

 

Zig Ziglar passed from this world today after a short bout with pneumonia. Though his time on earth has ended, he is speaking with Jesus now in his heavenly home. The angels in heaven are rejoicing and his family is celebrating a life well lived. 


If Zig has impacted your life or you want to leave a message to the family, please leave your remarks on his FaceBook page. Don't worry about being too specific or long. Take as much space as you want...the family wants to know. 

Please check back on FaceBook as we will be posting when the memorial service will be held.
 
 

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Another great leaves a legacy in all salespersons that bought his books and tapes. Yes, tapes.

An icon for sure.  Thank you for the words of wisdom over the years...God Bless & rest well.

Mr. Ziglar Inspired Millions!

Well he is in good company.  Between Carroll Shelby, Irving (Stering) Silver,and now Zig,  wherever they are, someone is going to be buying a beautifully designed car, from a legend who is there with another legend. 

Let's remember they all operated in a prime time when this message would have been delivered by mail, designed on a drawing board and sold with out any CRM or Internet

Sorry to see any of them go.

You have no idea how great this man truly was. He turned my life around. Get ready for a long winded story. I was 23 years old (I'm 50 now)and working for Resort Vacations International selling timeshares at Holly Lake Ranch outside of Tyler Texas. I had lost my businesses 3 months prior when I was embezzled. I moved back in with my parents and literally even stuck a gun in my mouth, cocked it and came very close to killing myself. The only thing that saved me was the thought of my parents finding my body. 

After hibernating for about 3 months in my room, my father gave me an ultimatum, get a job, or go live in the hunting cabin. Since there was no toilet or TV in the cabin, I chose getting a job. Lone Star Steel had just laid off about 2500 people and jobs were scarce. One of the few ads in the Newspaper (that's where we used to look to find a job back in the old days) was for a sales position at Holly Lake Ranch. It was 35 miles away, but I was willing to take anything.

They immediately hired me. (little did I know they hired anyone that showed up) and I thought I had landed a killer job. Well.... After 3 months, I still hadn't sold a single timeshare. So our Sales Director called me in his office and said," Kenny, we really like you. (which is the kiss of death), But, you haven't sold anything since you started and if you don't sell by next Sunday, we're going to let you go.

One of the perks of working for Holly Lake Ranch was that you worked at a 18 hole PGA golf course. So to work out my frustrations I picked up a bucket of balls and started hitting them as hard as I could. I sliced a ball and nearly hit this "old" guy (hey, I was 23) a couple of tees down. I apologized and he asked if he could give me some pointers. I bit my lip and figured it was the least thing I could do since I nearly hit the "old" guy in the head.

He lined me up, tighten my grip, explained how I should rotate my hips, told me not to hit it so hard and stepped back. I swung, and I watched as the ball just floated into the air and straight toward the peg. It dropped about 5 feet from the hole and I went crazy.

After we finished our buckets, I offered to buy him a soda pop at the pro shop. The guy asked me why I was so dressed up and I told him about working in sales, but they were going to let me go next week. The guy said, "I used to be in sales, maybe I can help". I told him I was a lost cause that all the managers had tried to teach me and said I just wasn't a sale guy. He told me to meet him the next day and he'd have me a plan of action. 

The next day, he asked me to show him what I normally did when I was selling. I drove him around the property pointing out all the things I normally did and then showed him a cabin and told him that I would bring them to the sales office for a manager to close them after that.

So the guy tells me to forget everything everyone else had told me, and he would show me how to sell. Then he gave me a list of things he wanted me to do. Go fishing in Greenbriar lake, Fish in Holly Lake, Go swimming, rent a canoe, rent a cabin and stay in it with some friends, etc.

A couple of days later he brings me to the lodge and says,"I want you to bring your customers here, and get to know them. Don't leave until you've drank 2 cups of coffee". As you bring them to each amenity, get out of the car,  and tell then about you fishing, or swimming or canoeing.

Once you get back to the sales office, fill out your paperwork, and keep your head down without stopping. Even if they say they're not interested, say, "Okay", and ask the next question. When you finish tell them the price of the highest price week you have (which was a red week at $9500.) and if they ask for a discount, look at them like you're a confused puppy. What every you do, don't say anything else.

The next thing I knew I had gone from being dead last on the sales line, to being #1(rotation was based on your closing average). A couple of weeks later, my boss's boss flew in from Dallas for our Saturday sales meeting asking,"who this kid was that had gone from not being able to sell anything for 3 months to being the top salesperson". He asked me to stand up and tell him which manager was responsible for my sudden sales expertise. 

I told him about he guy at the driving range. And he asked me what did he tell you to do? I said,"He said to do the exact opposite of what the managers told me about selling". That pissed him off and he said," Who is this #&&#^@** that thinks he can undermine our sales process. And I said,"I think his name is Tig something". In which I receive a loud response of ZIG!?!?!?, "No I think his name is Tig". At least that was what I had been calling him for the past few weeks.

Little did I know, that the "old man" was Zig Ziglar. I had never heard of him before that. Later that day Zig came into the Main building where we hung around waiting for our "UPS" and you should have seen the sales people light up when he walked into the room. I think even the people who didn't know who he was lit up. He had just that type of charisma and charm that was contagious. Well, That's my Zig Ziglar story, Hope I didn't bore you.

Thanks.... Zig could stretch a good story out too!

Ken Nix - thanks for such a personal and heart warming story that made me smile and brought tears to my eyes. Your story should be in the movie that surely will be made about Zig Ziglar!

If they don't make a movie about that man, something's wrong in Hollywood. I always wanted to cross paths with him again and thank him and see if he remembered me. The funniest part was him having me drink 2 cups of coffee before I could leave the lodge. I got to know people on a very personal level and there were many sudden stops and mad dashes to the woods during my tours. LOL

What a great story Ken!

Ken, wow!! Man thanks for the inspiring share.
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Enough is Enough!

Haven't you had it with all of these Data Pirates using our own customer information to defame us, lower our profits, alienate our customers... while at the same time they charge us through the nose to do us harm? 

 

Among the worst of them in my opinion is CarFax. They even believe they have the right to price our cars and trades.... too low of course.While at the same time CarFax exploits negative stereotypes that we are crooks in every commercial the Little Car Fox Rats out the dishonest bumbling and inept idiot car sales person. They charge us to defame us. 

Please read this article we just published in Wards Auto Magazine 

"My latest article is out and it's hot.  

Here are more than 250 Consumer Complaints and reviews about CarFax... look... http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/carfax_inacc.html 

We have manufacturers supporting these people and requiring we do business with them. Let's get mobilized and scream at our factory representatives, reprint this article for your dealers, do press releases, and generally alert your State Dealer Associations and 20-groups. 

CarFax Gets Its Facts Wrong

If a consumer asks for the CarFax, tell them it's $39.00. Whoever told you it was free was lying.

Dealers tell me horror stories about CarFax experiences with customers. Those range from missing information to erroneous information.

I have a problem with data pirates who use dealer information against us, damage our reputation and cause consumer distrust.

 

To me, CarFax is high on that list. Let’s look at what this vehicle-history firm does.

 

It tells consumers its reports are free but charges dealers for them. So, if a dealer asks customers to pay for the report, they look at you like a criminal.

 

CarFax runs TV ads featuring deceitful car salesmen hiding the truth until the little Car Fox character shows up and sets the customer straight. This sets up CarFax as the Consumer Protector battling the Evil Car People.

 

The company uses dealer data to tell customers what to demand for their trade-in, based on what CarFax says is the value.

 

So, here we have another vendor setting prices and limiting dealer profits and charging dealers while it rummages through their customer information. We give them data and pay them to take it from us.

 

But beyond all that, CarFax is creating huge liability risks to both dealers and the auto makers.

 

“CarFax, lawsuit, settlement.” Enter those words in a Google search to see how many lawsuits have been filed against CarFax, from class actions to individual filings.

 

I Googled a number of other vendors using the same search words and couldn’t find anywhere near as many lawsuits and complaints. In one case, a court rejected a $500,000 award because the plaintiff attorneys said it was too low. 

 

Most of the allegations center on inaccuracy of information. I can attest to that. A relative bought a car two years ago, and the dealer showed us the CarFax showing a clean history. Then, recently when he tried to trade it in, another dealer said CarFax indicated the airbags had been deployed in an accident before he purchased the car.

 

Yes, CarFax does have some sort of disclaimer somewhere on its form saying it’s sort of possible its information might be wrong.

 

Does that give it a license to insinuate that consumers should rely on its information when buying? Do some consumers then believe a dealer altered the CarFax report and falsified information if it turns out to be wrong? Now we have more animosity.

 

Dealers tell me horror stories about CarFax experiences with customers. Those range from missing information to erroneous information saying a car had a problem (thus devaluing it) when it didn’t have a problem at all.

 

I am amazed some auto makers and even some dealer associations have jumped into bed with this firm, either endorsing it or requiring dealers to offer CarFax history reports to consumers.

 

The first time a consumer sues your dealership over anything involving CarFax, point to the auto maker that required the vehicle history. That auto company  should be a co-defendant.

 

CarFax has reached out to me several times asking me to meet with them. They know I talk about them in speeches and blogs. I recently had a trusted third party ask me to meet with CarFax.

 

I told that person there’s no reason for me to meet with these people. I think they are disreputable and they deliberately cause consumers to distrust dealers.

 

I do not believe their information is complete nor do I believe it’s fully accurate. They indirectly set unrealistic sales prices and interfere with the sales process. There’s little chance they could say anything to change my mind. And I’m not for sale.

 

If I were you, I would certainly examine my affiliation with CarFax. Then I would make doubly sure the company was not accessing my dealership management system to get information.

 

Then, I would tell consumers when they asked for the CarFax report that I don’t use it because the results can be erratic and unreliable. If the consumers insist, charge them for the report. It sure isn’t free.

 

Keep those calls and emails coming.

 

Jim Ziegler, president of Ziegler Supersystems, is a trainer, commentator and public speaker on dealership issues. He can be reached at zieglerss@aol.com.

 

Source: http://www.automotivedigitalmarketing.com/profiles/blogs/it-s-time-for-the-retail-automotive-community-to-rise-up-and-give?id=1970539%3ABlogPost%3A425744&page=20#comments 

Comments: 

Comment by  James A. Ziegler 17 hours ago

A dealer just communicated this to me...

Had a customer with a 2006 truck to trade this weekend. He bought it new and only used it to tow his boat. The truck has 11870 Miles on it. He serviced the vehicle once a year at the selling dealer. In two seperate service trips 3 years apart the dealer recorded the millage wrong once reporting 29k on the truck and then 48k. The customer went back to the dealer to have the problem fixed and they say its out if their hands. Carfax reports major mileage issues and this greatly effects the ACV of the trade. Carfax causes more problems for consumers than it protects them from. Seeing more and more of it.

Comment by  Yago De Artaza Paramo on Wednesday

Jim,

You got to call this deaer and tell them to stop promoting the CarFox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lrkDH2nvTsY

 

 

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:48pm

Just the executives , not all of the employees.

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:40pm

You know, it's really funny. Last week Carfax announced to their employees that this Blog and this Movement was Dead. Little did they know we were only resting til the holidays and the election were over.  Last year the TrueCar Blogs started on November 28th. 

Fasten your chinstraps Carfax, the roller coaster is about to leave the station. 

Comment by  Adam Thrasher on November 20, 2012 at 6:39pm
Jim, maybe you should change you nickname to Robin Hood! :)
Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:37pm

Wow what a great idea. Tell you what Adam, I have at least four experts in my band of Merry Men and Women here on the Carfax situation room who are experts on Google and video. What an excellent idea. You are a genius. Did anyone ever tell you that? We'll put up a dozen Videos, some featuring me with that and other similar search terms. Thanks.

Comment by  Adam Thrasher on November 20, 2012 at 6:33pm
Jim, you need to film a video and post it on YouTube. Title it Carfax Reports for Hurricane Sandy. I guarantee people are searching that phrase and your video will be on page one of google in a matter of minutes.
Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:27pm

These comments are already starting to hit Google and Consumers are reading them. 

Comment by  JEREMY ALICANDRI on November 20, 2012 at 6:26pm

A Nice Black Friday Surprise from Jim Ziegler! :-)

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:23pm

Ha ha ... I have posted three things on their Facebook Fan Page and they've taken them down immediately. They are sitting there watching the page 24/7 ... and they are watching everything we write here too. BUT , they are not in the message boards we're on. AND I am going to drop 135,000 targeted emails later this week. Watch what happens next. Remember everyone keep it civil and nothing but the truth. 

Comment by  JEREMY ALICANDRI on November 20, 2012 at 6:17pm

Jim,

It looks like they aren't showing it. :-( However, it's interesting to see that they posted a copy of their "revised" Hurricane Sandy disclaimer on their Facebook page.

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:10pm

I just put this logo up on that page too. 

Comment by  JEREMY ALICANDRI on November 20, 2012 at 6:02pm

LOL Jim. I'm not sure what I like better. Your graphic, or the "CARFAX for Dealers" Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/CarfaxForDealers

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 5:36pm

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 1:52pm

You're right Jason Manning. The trick is to educate the public just how bad CarFax is for consumers to trust them. How many reports have we heard about consumers getting burned because they trusted the CarFax? The say "Show me the CarFax." with the idea you can get instant vehicle history reports on used cars for sale and avoid costly hidden problems. Don't get stuck with a lemon, they say. When in fact CarFax has been the reason many people bought lemons that CarFax did not have the information until months later... too late and the consumer then finds out they lose thousands because they trusted the flawed CarFax reports - again. Vehicle History Report on used cars with supposedly accurate vehicle information coming from CarFax. AND it's NOT Free they charge dealers heavily without our permission to tell someone it's free.

Comment by  Jason Manning on November 20, 2012 at 1:31pm
Just wondered when it became legal to conduct blanket advertising in an industry and commit a businesses funds/profits for advertising of your own product(s) as if you have blanket permission from the whole industry. If this is legal, please let me know. I will start my own empire today.
Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 12:55pm

Jason, I am not part of it but there are things in motion Carfax is going to have to deal with soon. 

Comment by  Jason Manning on November 20, 2012 at 12:51pm
Jim,


If Carfax is advertising Free Reports at any dealer, shouldn't those receiving dealers be recipients of a full refund from Carfax, of the report cost? If they don't provide that refund, isn't there an opening for a class action?
Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 8:50am

Edwin, please call around and get your friends in Jersey Car Business to comment on this Blog please.

Comment by  Edwin Sanchez on November 20, 2012 at 8:02am

Jim, I am out here in South Jersey bad enough we have to deal with the aftermath of Sandy but get ready for the Carfax mess that will make it even harder for dealers and consumers.

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:57am

Welcome aboard Edwin Sanchez. That is one of the five reasons so many of us despise CarFax. They arrogantly assume they have the right to set our prices based on their allegedly frequently flawed reports. They sell their reports by promoting continuing negative stereotypes that we are crooks and liars. It is their marketing plan to cause consumers to further distrust car dealers. They cast a blemish on every car sold in states that were affected by the storm last month. Their reports often have major problems that show up late long after the consumer has bought the car with a "Clean History report" so, in effect they cost people substantial money because they relied on CarFax Reports in those cases. They hold dealers to contracts with narrow windows of escaping them. or, so I am told :) . That is why we've written this blog to educate dealers, manufacturers and car people that CarFax is pure evil, or at least that's my opinion of them. There's a lot of people commenting, and, so far, only one has had anything positive to say about CarFax... and we all know his hidden agenda. 

We all have opinions and personal feelings and perceptions about CarFax... this blog is all about that dialogue. 

Comment by  Edwin Sanchez on November 20, 2012 at 6:42am

Sorry I'm late to the party.  Carfax Price Calculator - like the industry needs another consumer pricing tool to confuse the matter more.

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 20, 2012 at 6:41am

Dealers are telling me that CarFax vehemently holds you to their contract and will not let them out. On top of that there is only a short window of time where you are eligible to cancel before it automatically renews. This is what I am being told. Is that accurate? 

One dealer that wants to cancel is saying they intend to pursue the cancellation because the contract was signed by an employee who was not an officer of the company with no corporate resolution. It was evidently signed by a sales manager. Stay tuned on this one... if the dealer prevails, I have reason to believe a lot of other deals will pull the plug on the Fox.

By the way, somebody answer me this. If you have a contract with CarFax does it obligate you to give them DMS access and access to service and body shop records??  In other words can somebody with a contract with CarFax reports turn off their access to your computers? Does anyone have that answer?

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 19, 2012 at 8:13am

ARE YOU A CHILD MOLESTER?    LOOK at What He Says About CarFax   He says Carfax has branded  dealers as "Child Molesters". That might by an analogy I'm sure. Click this Blog and read It. Are You a Child Molester?

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 19, 2012 at 7:56am

Okay Jeremy, that's a little softer. Maybe they are listening a little. 

Comment by  JEREMY ALICANDRI on November 18, 2012 at 1:39pm
FYI, on Friday, CARFAX updated the hurricane statement:
Public Service Announcement:
Hurricane Sandy may not have damaged this vehicle, but it was registered or located in a
county declared a major disaster area by FEMA a href="http://www.fema.gov/disasters"> http://www.fema.gov/disasters>;. As a reminder, please get this vehicle inspected prior to purchase.
Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 16, 2012 at 3:48pm

I believe the fact that Carfax hurts consumers and dealers alike is deliberate. In my own mind, I believe CarFax will stoop to the lowest level to get another $39.95 from consumers or dealers, no matter who their tactics hurt. I don't like these people. Of course it's all my opinion based on common human decency and the fact I was raised by parents with values... I might be wrong. What do you think?

Comment by  JEREMY ALICANDRI on November 16, 2012 at 3:11pm

Debra,

Thanks for sharing these flood reports. I have no clue what to make of it. What do you think my shoppers are thinking? Grrr.......

Jeremy

Comment by  James A. Ziegler on November 16, 2012 at 2:44pm

You're right Keith, Foxes need to be careful when they mess with Dawgs

 

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